Well as I said I don’t believe the world was made in 6 days. Also it seems weird to me that you can pray to God that someone will change their actions and when they will it is all thanks to God, but if they don’t it is just free will. I think that God should’ve intervened during the Holocaust for example, I appreciate free will but at moments of such destruction and horror I think that a just god should intervene. What is your view on that?
Well, of course you don’t believe the world was made in six days! You don’t believe the Word! Do you fancy yourself wiser than the Most High? He has dictated His account of His creation — believe it thus!
Well, I do not usually pray for people to change their actions; I pray for Ywhw to change their actions. That might seem like a subtle difference, and I suppose it is, but it means a lot more than it may seem. I do not believe that individuals have free will; I do not think that that view is biblical — we were slaves to sin and are now slaves to the Christ!
Now, to address the whole “Praise God that they did what I prayed for them to do” but at the same time saying, “Oh well, I guess God just had to let them do what they wanted to do” — the Lord has a plan for everything. It is all in His hands. When we pray, we are not commanding God to make things happen; rather, we are APPEALING to Him. If He does what we ask of Him, we are to praise Him. If He does not, we are to praise Him. As I see it, the purpose of prayer is worship and spiritual stability. Ultimately, all that happens is in His Will in some sense. I understand where you are coming from in regard to this issue, but I think that you are misunderstanding the purpose of prayer. While it does have real efficacy, the reason for that is God’s allowance, not anything we can attribute to ourselves or some words we utter. When we appeal to the Almighty, we truly are ONLY appealing to Him, and none other. So, if our requests are not granted, we are to rejoice that what the Lord has planned is greater than whatever we had desired in our prayer.
Now, your Holocaust example is something that I have a bit of a controversial view on, which would likely offend you, so I will just address the general question of “Why atrocities if just God?” I want to answer with a few questions myself to get at the root of where this question is actually coming from. Who are you to judge and accuse your Creator? (This is not a rhetorical question). What do you mean by “just?” My standard of justice is whatever God says it is. What is yours? How exactly do your expect Him to intervene? In the Scriptures, there are many examples of Ywhw intervening in people’s lives, and there still are.
Are you Christian?
I would like to see Christ as the ideal man, I’m just not sure about the metaphysical claims. You are a Christian I see?
I most certainly am. Not like most Christians though, who profane the name and disregard the Law through acts such as swine-eating and tattoos.
What makes you doubt the metaphysical claims?
Well as I said I don’t believe the world was made in 6 days. Also it seems weird to me that you can pray to God that someone will change their actions and when they will it is all thanks to God, but if they don’t it is just free will. I think that God should’ve intervened during the Holocaust for example, I appreciate free will but at moments of such destruction and horror I think that a just god should intervene. What is your view on that?
Well, of course you don’t believe the world was made in six days! You don’t believe the Word! Do you fancy yourself wiser than the Most High? He has dictated His account of His creation — believe it thus!
Well, I do not usually pray for people to change their actions; I pray for Ywhw to change their actions. That might seem like a subtle difference, and I suppose it is, but it means a lot more than it may seem. I do not believe that individuals have free will; I do not think that that view is biblical — we were slaves to sin and are now slaves to the Christ!
Now, to address the whole “Praise God that they did what I prayed for them to do” but at the same time saying, “Oh well, I guess God just had to let them do what they wanted to do” — the Lord has a plan for everything. It is all in His hands. When we pray, we are not commanding God to make things happen; rather, we are APPEALING to Him. If He does what we ask of Him, we are to praise Him. If He does not, we are to praise Him. As I see it, the purpose of prayer is worship and spiritual stability. Ultimately, all that happens is in His Will in some sense. I understand where you are coming from in regard to this issue, but I think that you are misunderstanding the purpose of prayer. While it does have real efficacy, the reason for that is God’s allowance, not anything we can attribute to ourselves or some words we utter. When we appeal to the Almighty, we truly are ONLY appealing to Him, and none other. So, if our requests are not granted, we are to rejoice that what the Lord has planned is greater than whatever we had desired in our prayer.
Now, your Holocaust example is something that I have a bit of a controversial view on, which would likely offend you, so I will just address the general question of “Why atrocities if just God?” I want to answer with a few questions myself to get at the root of where this question is actually coming from. Who are you to judge and accuse your Creator? (This is not a rhetorical question). What do you mean by “just?” My standard of justice is whatever God says it is. What is yours? How exactly do your expect Him to intervene? In the Scriptures, there are many examples of Ywhw intervening in people’s lives, and there still are.
Thoughts?